Two Plus Two is a space for the conversations most couples aren’t having… but probably should be.

Hosted by Zack and Josie, this podcast explores intimacy, trust, and connection through a highly unique lens. Their own story is as real as it gets: they met in the lifestyle while married to other people, went through divorces, took a 13-year hiatus from the scene, and eventually returned to it together. That journey—and the honest conversations it forced them to have about trust, intimacy, communication, and connection—became the foundation for Two Plus Two.

Whether you’re curious about the lifestyle, are actively part of it, or are simply interested in creating a deeper connection with your partner, Two Plus Two embraces the idea that the strongest relationships are built through the honest conversations most people avoid.